Re: The other Wagner thread

Chris Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:06 am

yep, looks like our little mate Gary Dell is coming back every now and again and trying to remove reference to Wagner on this thread.

Peter Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:11 am

Yes he is Chris

I have changed it back Rolling Eyes

If he does it again I will call it "The ??? Jim Wagner ??? thread" and keep both of us happy Laughing

Chris Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:13 am

Peter wrote:Yes he is Chris.

I have changed it back

If he does it again I will call it "The ??? Jim Wagner ??? thread" and keep both of us happy

How about calling it "Wagner... the QUESTIONS". can't complain about that!!

Peter Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:16 am

It may be a better idea all round to call it "Wagner - Don't ask"

Chris Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:18 am

combatnige wrote:Blimey chaps, I have only been off the forum for a few days and all this blows up

it took me bloody ages to wade through this, and nearly nodded off at all the testimonials from Mr Wagners students.

not sure if I should add by two penneth as I too have never heard of him, never seen him on you tube or been to any of his courses. As Dave said some of his stuff mught be quite good, it's just all the 'spourious' background claims that he cant back up.

Apologies for all the posts but it became obvious early on in the debacle that I would need to keep an independent record of the conversation. As shown these things tend to result in denial, threats and then deletion of offending statements and comments.

combatnige Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:46 am

Chris that's fine mate, I saw why you were doing it

Bottom line is he has a dodgy background of claims, as illustrated by Nick.

btw I once spent a weekend at a campsite near Hereford, am I in the SAS ??

Mr Nobody Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:40 pm

combatnige wrote:

btw I once spent a weekend at a campsite near Hereford, am I in the SAS ??

Yes. Yes you are.

DaveCollins Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:50 pm

Mr Nobody wrote:
combatnige wrote:

btw I once spent a weekend at a campsite near Hereford, am I in the SAS ??

Yes. Yes you are.

Ironic to think that the actual number of chaps in that regiment is well below what people would imagine, especially considering the literally millions of people who claim to have either been in it or trained them!

Peter Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:51 pm

Crikey, he renamed the thread again!! Full marks for persistence, he really doesn't like the title does he Laughing

Ah well, t'is changed back and I'll keep doing it as and when.

I notice he's got rid of all his posts too.

Why we couldn't just had had sensible questions answered sensibly I don't know, unless of course answers couldn't be provided. Rolling Eyes

Jagunco Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:51 pm

I still cringe when I think about Bob Spour. He had a lot of people going.

Chris Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:54 pm

Peter wrote:Crikey, he renamed the thread again!! Full marks for persistence, he really doesn't like the title does he

Ah well, t'is changed back and I'll keep doing it as and when.

I notice he's got rid of all his posts too.

Why we couldn't just had had sensible questions answered sensibly I don't know, unless of course answers couldn't be provided.

Ha, damn that pesky evidence and burden of proof stuff!

DaveCollins Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:55 pm

Jagunco wrote:I still cringe when I think about Bob Spour. He had a lot of people going.

What makes me cringe is the number of people in the martial arts community who don't really mind people telling lavish lies to boost their business.

Peter Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:06 pm

Jeez, he's at it again What a Face

This is really getting silly now!

Peter Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:09 pm

"gone"

You are welcome here and welcome to participate in a sensible fashion. If you don't like the answers or comments about something you post then that is just tough I'm afraid and can happen to any one of us.

This constant renaming of the the thread is just silly and only making the whole Wagner thing look even worse than it already did

Chris Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:19 pm

Just split into a new thread Pete, call it what you like and Gary Dell Jim Wagner's UK rep won't be able to rename it.

Ade Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:23 pm

Chris wrote:Just split into a new thread

Done

Peter Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:25 pm

Good call, I must admit I was letting it carry on to see how far it would go which was a bit silly of me really Embarassed

Chris Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:40 am

Just as a side note, it's worth mentioning that this thread is simply a report containing what is widely available in the public domain. Nothing more or less. If Wagner is so concerned about the content he is free to address the topic directly. He would be given more than a fair hearing.

As stated by Wagner himself, he lives this type of debate, it boosts his business. So, no financial harm there.
He is also not being called a liar, it is being said that he embellished his resume and his marketing is OTT.
Wagner is also not the subject of falsehood here. Nobody has lied about Wagner on this forum. There have merely been questions asked followed by a frantic desire to have those queries removed.
Wagner has quite clearly stated that his reputation and standing are not harmed by this type of debate because those communities and organisations that he provides instruction to hold him in the highest regard, even after the Hock, pownet, bullshido investigations of the last four years. So, no loss of standing or reputation as a result of reporting those investigstions

Just to bring us back on point here Very Happy

Jagunco Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:41 am

DaveCollins wrote:
Jagunco wrote:I still cringe when I think about Bob Spour. He had a lot of people going.

What makes me cringe is the number of people in the martial arts community who don't really mind people telling lavish lies to boost their business.

Once met an 18 year old kid who had according to himself worked on the doors and sevred in the parachute regiment....

Chris Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:59 am

So... we join the long list of websites posting information about Wagner. We also join the list of websites where Wagner has tried to obscure the truth, send essays in support of his claims rather than proof and finally... when the crowd did not buy his nonsense... threaten through his spokesmen.

Absolute joke. Respect is not something to be demanded... it's something that is given freely and lost easily.

rezbi Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:38 pm

Chris wrote:So... we join the long list of websites posting information about Wagner. We also join the list of websites where Wagner has tried to obscure the truth, send essays in support of his claims rather than proof and finally... when the crowd did not buy his nonsense... threaten through his spokesmen.

Absolute joke. Respect is not something to be demanded... it's something that is given freely and lost easily.

The ironic thing is, by discussing anything about anybody - whether positive or negative - we give them more publicity.

Publicity in the sense that search engines pick them up more often when particular keywords are typed in. Such as 'self defence'.

Chris Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:18 am

True, but at least when people research Jim Wagner they will see something more than his own marketing blurb and nonsense.

Jagunco Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:52 am

When I googlled him the first thing on the list was:

Jim Wagner: Fraud

then his website lol

Nick Hughes Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:35 pm

Chris Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:56 am

Just had this link brought to my attention. As I generally don't waste too much time with imbeciles and disingenuous fools I hadn't seen this before.

It's from back in October. Needless to say, full of outright lies. Happily I kept evidence of all interaction between myself and Wagners puppets and can easily repudiate the nonsense he puts forward as a version of events which include and specifically call out myself.

http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/newsoct42012uk.html

Should have left well enough alone Jimmy boy. Then again, what more could you expect from someone who consistently uses tragedy to try and sell his courses.

Just as well that his last attempt to come across to the UK failed to make any money.

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