Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Punch to the neck--not throat--is definitely a KO blow. Most Muay Thai schools will tell you to specifically aim your kicks to the neck as it reduces the chance of breaking the foot on the head, and the neck is a good KO spot.

After watching that film a few times, I think he might have clipped the jaw as well. The guy's head did rotate some after being hit. Either way it was a damn good shot

That's a fight from the MMA league, which is an Irish competition that runs a few times a year allowing people to get some experience fighting under MMA rules before actually going on a promotion. No headshots are allowed. My housemate has ref'd matches at it and he says that he disqualified one person for punching someone in the throat- he counted it as a headshot. They weren't injured. I showed him that clip and watching the slow mo we reckon it is also a throat shot, but it appears to clip the chin too.

AFAIK throat strikes are banned by the UFC in the same rules section that bans grabbing the trachea... Maybe some smaller promotions don't specifically ban them, dunno.

I guess my point would be that if they- throat shots that stop- do sometimes happen (and Google obviously does turn up some) then they are still in a minority versus the tremendous amount of people K.O'd and seriously injured by single punches. I'd still be inclined to look at them as a niche thing, maybe a bit low percentile?

You blood thirty sods i cant believe some of you are actually condoning using throat strikes in a sporting match!

Why not wrap some barbed wire around there gloves while were at it

PullupPastor wrote:
Why not wrap some barbed wire around there gloves while were at it

The ancient Greeks beat us to it, dude! Followed, of course, by Roma!

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/Boxer.htm

Fancy getting punched with those bronze strips?

If that's not bad enough...fancy getting smacked in the face (or anywhere for that matter) with this....

http://www.artancient.com/roman-boxing-glove-p-102.html

In Soviet Russia, techniques do you.

Yes i have used in the past the good ole palm strike and ear clapper but the toe bunt in the knacker bag if the most effective.

But joking apart the ear clapper is very effective

Eye gouges, biting and shredders many times. Yet to see knee breaks and clavicle breaks etc. However i did watch an old mate break a guys clavicle to peaces in an old "gang" fight many moons ago.....he was using a steel snap on powerbar mind you.

Actually collarbone is the easiest bone in the body to break. I suspect we don't see more of it because very few people target it.

I broke my sisters when I was nine scrapping over something. Doctor explained it's so fragile because it's like a fuse in a fuse box. If you fall and put your arms out (instinctive) the force would drive back up into the neck and cause damage so the collar bone is designed to break instead.

Nick

Nick Hughes wrote:Actually collarbone is the easiest bone in the body to break. I suspect we don't see more of it because very few people target it.

I broke my sisters when I was nine scrapping over something. Doctor explained it's so fragile because it's like a fuse in a fuse box. If you fall and put your arms out (instinctive) the force would drive back up into the neck and cause damage so the collar bone is designed to break instead.

Nick

That certainly corresponds to my experience, and that of a lot of my friends', falling off motorcycles.

Never knew that Nick, land on your shoulder after being thrown off your bike and you invariably break your collar bone, ouch!

Thumb to the eye = VERY EFFECTIVE

Throat Punch = VERY EFFECTIVE & CAN CAUSE DEATH. Collapses the wind pipe and the person can choke to death and/or lose consciousness. Oxygen deprivation causes death.

Collar Bone Strike = Breaking bones or dislocating a joint is relatively easy to do, but you must be of a mindset to execute.

Any soft tissue or joints on the body are susceptible to severe damage with little effort. The amount of damage inflicted depends on the mental state of the person delivering the blows.

Hi S.R. Welcome to the forum- The thing is, any fool can type in bold to attempt to make a point more valid.

But the question remains- have you used these simple techniques for real?

No!

are you as dubious as I am as to our new member?

Yes!

Kaarl/Flash? Is that you?

He seems to be genuine.He has been in martial arts since 1969 and was the founder of a higlhy regarded combatives system in 1982,trained cops and other operators.

Uravinalarf, Tony.

PaulGappyNorris wrote:Uravinalarf, Tony.

Oh,I forgot to add,he was seconded to the SAS whilst serving in Delta Force. Everyone has to be in the SAS if they want to be taken seriously.

Seriously though,give the guy a chance as he has just joined the forum and might want to clarify the statement he has posted above.

Is there anywhere on the web that has accounts of 'real' military CQC and the 'techniques' that have been used in an operational environment, with 'real' people giving their account of what they used?

I don't mean the plethora of 'Bob I'm in the SAS' types of rubbish, but genuine (if such a thing exists) accounts of actual hand-to-hand, and fight for your life stuff....

I asked the same of the old World War 2 Combatives crowd a few years ago.

They traded on their "proven in batle" claims... but none at all were forthcoming, and asking the question meant I was making trouble.

The nearest they got was "It must have worked or no one would have survived." That's what I call nonsense.

Also, if any old soldier fights off a group of tearaways in modern Britain that is "proof" of the efficiency of WW2 Combatives, regardless of wehther or not the old soldier was shown to have trained in it.

PaulGappyNorris wrote:Is there anywhere on the web that has accounts of 'real' military CQC and the 'techniques' that have been used in an operational environment, with 'real' people giving their account of what they used?

Firstly, just what is 'military CQC' when all is said and done? Many try - desperately - to establish it as being a distinct 'system' of fighting, reserved for soldiers and the like, and they miss the point completely. Military close-quarter combat is a situation that you might find yourself in as a soldier, not the means you use to resolve it - these means are just called 'fighting' and are no different to what a tinker, tailor or candlestick-maker would use if fighting for their lives.

So all these 'military CQC' techniques are the same punches, kicks, gouges and headbutts seen in every single fight, regardless of occupation - however the more dramatic amongst us might want to say differently.

Is there a special forces method of punching someone in the head? A commando version of a kick to the balls? Of course not, and the only military 'specialisation' is when you add an inert carbine into the mix as an impact weapon, and maybe a pistol or fixed knife to transition to.

It's the situation that earns the 'military' title, not the methods that are employed.

Do close combat techniques get used operationally? Of course they do, and always have, but as for being 'battle-tested' as claimed, you'll find that thumb in the eye, choke, right hook, uppercut, et al, was already well proven way before some commando had it presented in a few hours as an 'interest period' to give him a break from the real training...

Mick

re: CQC - I was using the term loosely, and yes, all kicking, punching biting etc. is the same regardless of 'labels' ..but the question remains the same.

I should add, having met quite a few ex-forces, I've personally never met anyone from the military who was forthcoming with their accounts of 'close encounter' with an enemy. Almost all of them either didn't have any recollection of any specific technique, or, were reluctant to recall the event as it wasn't a pleasant experience. Not one of them portrayed the 'I'm a tough B'stard and listen to my stories' attitude.