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Post  BN Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:17 am

The most Zenlike post yet.
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Post  Nick Hughes Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:55 am

You want Zen then? here it is...


Q. What is brown and sticky?

A. A stick

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Post  BN Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:14 pm

What is sticky and brown?
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Post  Bob Wright Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:58 pm

Rob Mac wrote:who is steve babbs? His name cropped up last week at training. Is he a pirate.(I have a feeling I've asked a leading question)

Don't get on the mysterious Steve Babbs thing again......we'll never get a break from Bloody Nuisance for the next 6 months. Very Happy
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Post  Nick Hughes Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:33 pm

I believe Bloody Nuisance is now in Portugal hunting witches as part of his new job description...so you might be all right Bob.

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Post  BN Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:13 am

Sorry for my late response.

I was indeed down in Portugal, and I got caught up in a little festival in a small town that I had been called to, in order to investigate witchcraft.

The festival revolved around a martial artist who had visited the town many years before and used his skills to slay a dragon that had been eating all the corn and pinching womens' bottoms on the way to market.

The name of the martial artist was Steve Bobbs or Babbs, with the thick portugease accent it was difficult to make out.
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Post  Guest Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:51 pm

Nick Hughes wrote:Sigh...

Here we go again. No, in all seriousness I think I've finally figured out what we're at odds about (and I'm referring to your comment on Steve's site about my pointing out what clearly is traditional martial arts working as it was designed to)

When I'm referring to traditional martial arts working I'm referring to their techniques. In other words I've knocked people out with reverse punches, palm heels, hammerfists, knife hand strikes, web hands, elbows, slaps, headbutts, groin kicks, front kicks, side kicks, roundhouse kicks, spinning back kicks, jumping kicks, footsweeps, hook kicks et al.

To say those techniques don't work is asinine. I've dropped people with, as have many others we are aware of who's names we mention on here all the time.

What I'm assuming you're referring to is (what you think is) the traditional method of training that I refer to as McDojos. I.e. no contact, no focus, no intent, no understanding of what it takes to make the techniques work in the street, no mind-set training, no study of tactics etc.

If that IS what you're talking about I agree with you. affraid and I always have. I've walked out of dojos in disgust having seen people take breaks for drinks of water, stop when they're winded, get pampered when they get hurt and, in one I even saw them lie down and take a nap halfway through training ( I kid you not)

That is not proper martial arts training though. Just because some people say it is, and just because you got suckered into it and were told it is, doesn't make it so. The real stuff has all the missing elements I addressed above included...BIG TIME

Imagine if you went to a shooting school and you were taught by a marksman and he trained you to just miss the targets every time (because hitting them is too dangerous by crikey). With some exotic weapons that he didn't really know he made up how they worked and had you holding them backwards. You then get in a shoot out and instead of blaming the method in which you were trained you blame the guns???

I on the other hand, and the others I know of who make their stuff work effectively, went to a school run by a veteran of several wars who taught us combat shooting and tactics etc. We get in shootouts and we prevail, again, and again, and again.

Then we run into you who swears black and blue that guns don't work. Mate, guns work fine. (Real) traditional martial arts works just fine. If you don't think so please pick the specific technique you don't think works and let me know. I'll bet I, Gary Spiers, Bryson, Gavin, Terry O'Neill, Bob Jones, Mal and all the others I've worked with over the years have dropped someone with it.

As for that clip not being traditional martial arts...oh really, again, please point out the technique you saw that wasn't traditional. I saw reverse punches, front kicks, elbows, jabs, roundhouse kicks, side kicks, spinning back kicks, kakato geris, headbutts, throws, sweeps et al. Find the specific minute in the clip and please direct my attention to it and I'll go look.

What is the style if it is not at least partly defined by the training method used? After all, so many arts have all these moves, just like you say.

A "style" is a style of training to a large extent. Your argument is circular. You like to point out the percived lack of stree effectiveness of boxers now and again..... but don't they employ those same Karate punches (albeit done in a different and, many would say, more effective manner).

So your counter to my argument doesn't make sense to me. I stand by my assertion that many of the training methods used by what we often refer to as "Traditional" arts are not as effective as more modern ones.

Kata, air punching, set piece 1 and 3 step sparring, semi contact sparring etc. All made redundant by the methods employed by other arts.

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Post  phillintheuk Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:59 pm

I remember seeing Steve Babbs in a full contact tournament in Manchester back in the 70's and he was REAL good with flash kicks that connected, he was with a friend of his that night, a tall guy called Douglas ? It was the last fight of the night I think & I only got to watch the start of it as I had to rush to catch the last train home to Blackpool and I heard on the news the next day that S.Babbs mate Douglas ? died in that fight, he suffered from some rare condition that was triggered into action by the fight, he was REAL good too man these guys were so flash but could do the business, fit young guns, sad loss.

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