Favourite technique

Hi Dave!

What was/is YOUR number one technique that you trusted most?

POWER SLAP

Then my patented RISING JAB... got 4 KO's on four following Saturdays with that one

the power slap never deserted me, the right cross wasnt always as potent as I would have liked, and the back fist let me down twice.. so I binned it when the shit was real

a deeper question than some might realise Brian.. good one mate

Dave how many chances does a technique get before you bin it? And as an instructor do teach techniques that you no aren't suitable for you in a real go, but might be suitable for one of your students?

hey Dave,
Could you please describe the rising jab? Is it anything like the boxers jab?.
Thanks

If it fails me twice it goes..
Yes I teach everything I can to all my students.. if they like it, it usually likes them.. so I cant allow them to miss out on what could become a 'personal' good one

The rising jab only works for people TALLER than yourself, which in my case is nearly everyone.. you need to bi in close and slightly off their centre ..
If Nick Hughes reads this, it would only work for him on an angry giraffe

The elbow stay DOWN and the fist kind os rises as if you were 'sliding' it up their chest under their jaws..

bloody good strike for little fellas

That rising shot is a bit of a corker. I've noticed it's one Geoff Thompson shows in his real punching. I'd always wondered where Geoff came up with that until Dave demonstrated it in one of those 'after the master class' specials.

if i was in an left foot forward stance should i use my left lead or right. the reason im askin is because im also short 5'6 so it sounds like something that i need to add to my box of goodies.

Boy, I thought I had posted this already. Must've just thought it.

Dave, that rising jab sounds like a closed-fist relative of how Slackbladder demonstrated the combatives "chin jab", rising up along the sternum to make hard contact with the chin.

Does that seem right?
Also, I'm guessing you generate the power from your hips and legs, rising up into the blow?
Any "power generation" details you can provide are always appreciated.

JK

Hi Guys

Jonathan remember WALKING..

OK imagine you are close in, and you align your body as if to walk past HIS right side.. as you make the step on your left foot to walk past him, just throw the right hand in a straight line knuckles OUT (not in like an duppercut) right under his jaw

must... remember.... walking....!

I'm with you there, and will figure out some kind of pad that I can train that on.

Would you ever do it as an open hand strike? What you described (knuckles out, like a jab) would seem like a chin-jab to me, if done open handed.
So would you do that? Why (or when) or why not?

Trust me, I'll work on it, I'm not just asking questions for the sake of asking.

JK

To me the two strikes.. 'rising jab' and 'chin jab' are there for two very different reasons.

Now I love the chin jab with heel of hand, and have used it once or twice.. BUT its conception and ORIGINAL use (I always look at the WHY of a technique.. what is its reason).. The reason for Chin Jab especially in WW1 combatives was DEATH..it is supposed to be a KILLER move, designed really to break the neck.. (more so whan your opponent wore old fashioned steel helmets)..

Now I didnt always want murder or manslaughter charges just working the doors.. so I would rather KO's the guy.

Fair enough, that makes sense. I'll give it a shot.

Have a great Master Class, I'm wishing I could make it.

Will do my own bit of training and bag-hanging here.

JK

Dave,

Forgive me it this is a bit thick, but how is the rising jab different in its effect to a chin jab?

If I have this correct, and I may not have, then the rising jab is essentially the same technique as a chin jab but with a closed rather than an open fist and a such SHOULD have similar effect. Is that an over simplification?

Chin jab is one of my "core" techniques but obviously I could do without inadvertently killing someone.

Thanks Dave

Right ..lets hope I dont mess up this explanation..

The Chin Jab as said was designed simply as a KILLING move, and as such cant really be done TOO often in real situations with maximum impact power..people will die.

So you have to REDUCE impact to get a lesser effect than its design.. like tapping with a hammer to shape metal as opposed to smashing with it to break metal.
So the FULL range is not used.. you use LESS percentage of the actual technique.

Now with a right cross in boxing for example.. a LESSER percentage wont get a KO, so you have to train for and apply MAXIMUM impact..

so when I do the rising jab I am trying to put in as much impact as I can to get the result that is really the MAXIMUM I can hope for.. a KO.
Where as with the Chin Jab you are NOT trying for the maximum you can hope to achieve.

Secondly.. the follow through with the heel of hand rotates the spinal cervical bones in a reverse curve, which is how the 6th and/or 7th cervical vertebrae can get broken.
The impact of the rising jab is transferred NOT through the spinal bones in the cervical area, but through the JAW to the Medulla Oblngata which causes the brain to shut down.. a KO..

two similar looking moves with different impacts for different reasons.. like chokes and strangles looking simliar but really totally different..

hope that helps

It does, thanks Dave.

Dave,
does the slap work as well with gloves on? Since I thought the slap relied partly on the air pocket of the cupped hand for maximum effect.

Hi .. If the Slap is performed the way I prefer it is designed for bare hands.. if anyone us wearing gloves.. I would reccommend a different type cheers

I know this doesn't really go here but it saves starting a new thread.

Is there any chance you could describe your version of the larynx grab?

Since you can't really practice it there seems to be a bit of bullshido surrounding it. Is it simply forcefully grab and twist or is there more or something completely different?

MMmm .. this one isnt easy to describe properly .. but here goes..

Lets assume you are doing the nasty with your RIGHT hand.. so the left hand goes behind the NECK, cupped hand style
Then using TWO fingers and one thumb (have a bloody hard job using two thumbs Turton)..you now grip the larynx..

slight tangent now .. imagine those toys kids played with a bit back, they were like a long corrugated tube that 'sung' when you whirled it around.. OK you grip the larynx like one of those tubey things..
When you grip have the fingers HIGHER than the wrist, but as you squeeze in turn the fingers DOWN slightly so you end up with them parallel

Now you elbow should be lower than the hand so you are pulling every so slightly downwards, as they grab your hand (they all do its instinctive), bring the LEFT hand (behind the neck remember) over the head to over the face/nose and push/slap with the left as you quickly cobine squeeze and 'tank' together..

job done

but a word of caution.. this is NOT definitely NOT a play technique

Thanks for that. Someone the other day said you should twist, but there's no leverage.

Whats the expected result if done violently/properly?

At a guess.
A crushed windpipe and a panic stricken mess trying to breathe on the floor?
Unconcious through shock?
Death?

All the above mate.. its a very dodgy move to try and even dodgier to guarantee some form of control,, wind-pipes rupture too easily